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Old 01-27-2016, 02:00 PM
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I saw this on facebook today.

The Maryland Saltwater Sportfishing Association would like to announce some pending changes in the 2016 striped bass fishery. Please note that all decisions must be approved by the The Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission (ASMFC). These changes were voted on by the Maryland Sport Fish Advisory Commission (SFAC) and will be submitted by the Department of Natural Resources.

Trophy Season:
By a unanimous vote, the SFAC approved a change in the Trophy season to a 1 fish/person minimum 35" (season length remains the same; 3rd Saturday in April to May 15)

Summer/Fall Season:
The SFAC voted to approve two options for the summer/fall fishery for the Department to advance:
1.) Status Quo: 2 fish per person, minimum 20 inches (2 fish/person 20"-28" OR 1 fish 20"-28" and 1 fish 28" or more)
2.) Captains Choice: 2 fish per person, minimum 20 inches (2 fish/person 20"-28" or1 fish 20"-28" and 1 fish 28" or more) OR 1 fish/person minimum 18" Captains choice (everyone on the boat will have to comply and Agree on size limit)

Coastal Fishery:
2 fish/person 28-36" or 44" and above

What do you guys think?
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Old 01-27-2016, 03:08 PM
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I know many charger captains have different views however I'm all for a slot limit again in 2016. Last trophy season I caught so many fish right in the slot limit and to be honest it didn't bother me but then again I'm mainly a catch and release guy. My thoughts are the fishery is starting to rebound if we maintain the previous slot limit that it would only help in minimizing the threat of slowing down the rebound. I don't have any scientific data to back this up but to me it just seemed to me the slot limit worked.

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Old 01-27-2016, 03:12 PM
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ASMFC wanted us to have a 1 fish 36"+ last year. It should have gone that way before some in MD wanted to mess with it. Now those that fought for the no-take slot dont want it because most fish were in the slot and it severely hurt charters being able to keep fish. To be quite frank it doesnt matter much for conservation because our harvest on big fish is a pimple on the elephant as far as the take on big fish goes up and down the coast. We took less than 3% off of the spawning stock biomass even when we had 1 fish @ 28"+. The coastal reductions will have far greater effect on the health of the stock here.

I dont think we should even be asking the ASMFC to look at the capts choice. I think it stands little to no chance of getting board approval and it takes away from us asking to change both the trophy season and coastal seasons. (They dont really like change after reductions have been implemented because it makes it harder for them to determine effectiveness of reductions). Besides the stock assessment update is due out this year and we hopefully can go back and ask for an 18" min again next year. I was surprised no one took up conversation about having a split summer season mentioned by the DNR striped bass representative.

I dont care about the coastal regulations but think it is odd that we will have the same regulations as a neighboring state we dont have license reciprocity with and different regulations than the state we do have license reciprocity with. In other words under a MD license you can fish VA and MD waters and have different regs for each state. However you cannot fish DE waters with a MD license but our regs conform with theirs. I dont care about it. Just odd.

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If I were king for a day, I would find a way to extend the season until Dec 31st. I would explore having 3 seasons, Trophy, summer and fall...

Trophy 1 @35"+
Summer 2@18"+ (1 allowed to be 28"+)
Fall (maybe Oct 1 - Dec31 ) 2 @ 22" + (1 allowed to be 28"+) or whatever it would take to get the 18" summer fish and get the season to go to December 31st.

I personally would even go with a 1 fish per person creel after Nov 1 to get to the end of the year. Much harder to book C&R only trips vs even having a 1 fish creel.
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Old 01-27-2016, 06:26 PM
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Bring back the slot limit!! Yes I released a ton of slot fish and it made me feel good to do so. We are protecting the breeding stock and what's the problem with that. Granted I am just returning from fishing many years offshore, the striper slot limit is nothing compared to what the bluefin tuna fishery has gone through. When targeting them you had to check regulations daily as the Feds could change the regs daily. So what, I've done charters offshore for years and the people that booked months in advance understood that once they showed up in the morning the fishery was either closed or slot limits had changed. I can't understand why a bay charter captain or recreational fisherman wouldn't agree with regulations that would possibly sustain a species that is their bread and butter for the future. If someone could explain this to me rationally I would love to hear it. Could just be me but don't understand the mentality. Sure beats another moratorium. If they want to reduce mortality go after the factory ships that are sucking up all the bait they eat instead of worrying about what you can and cannot keep and kill! No bait no fish!
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Old 01-27-2016, 09:38 PM
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I throw pretty much everything back anyway. If people on my boat want to keep fish, I certainly allow it. Personally I've eaten fish twice a year for the last 3 years. If it were left up to me, we would have fish so thick, even Parker owners woud catch fish!!!
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Old 01-27-2016, 10:28 PM
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Mike,
I think what Greg is saying with the "pimple on an elephants ass" comment is that our trophy season (normally only three weeks long) is not reducing the breeding population by very much.
I have no problem releasing fish. If another slot limit would GUARANTEE another great YOY index, I would support a slot for the next couple of years.

However, I think the main problem is that the breeding stock NEVER gets a break. They get hammered everywhere they go. Let's start with Maryland. They enter the bay to spawn in late March and DNR tries to set the Trophy season date after they have spawned. In most years, this works out pretty well (last year they arrived late). They spawn in early to mid April, and we fish for them until they leave the bay.
But then, those breeders are fished all the way up the coast as they head for their summer grounds. Once they reach Maine, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, etc.; they are fished until they start their trip back to warmer waters. Once again, they are fished all the way back down the coast until they reach their winter grounds (either Va. or N.C.). If they don't remain outside the 3 mile limit, they are fished all winter.
Finally, they start their trek back up the Chesapeake to spawn, where we hit them again for about 3 weeks.

I will agree that I sometimes wince when a fat pre-spawn cow goes in the box. But if all works well, more spawned out females are harvested.

So............, our three week season doesn't reduce the breeding stock by a large number. A 32-43 inch fish (breeder) is never going to breed again no matter whether she is harvested in Md., Del., N.J., N.Y., Conn., Rhode Island, Mass., Maine, Va., or N.C.!!

What I would love to see is a one year C/R restriction on the breeding stock. I still want to fish for them; but maybe everything over 38 inches would be protected (for one year only). Can you imagine how many breeders that were released in every State, would enter the Chesapeake to spawn the following year? How large would the YOY be then?

I HOPE that because we released the slot fish, the YOY was high last year. But we can't be certain that was the main reason for the YOY index. Perhaps, the environmental conditions (water temps and water quality) were perfect for allowing the eggs to hatch and the fry to live. I know we didn't have any major flooding last spring (which normally turns the bay to a muddy mess). Perhaps, the combination of C/R and environmental factors was the answer.

We could do another slot, C/R 75-80% of the breeders; and have environmental conditions kill the eggs or fry resulting in a poor YOY.

Personally, I love catching them. I could accept a season of all C/R. The only problem with that, is DNR has so polluted the process of setting regulations, that I don't trust them to be able to effectively manage the stock. When DNR was asked (by the Charter Boat industry) to ELIMINATE Pre-Season C/R fishing for the few of us who engaged in it; DNR told us with a straight face that we were harming the fish by 1) dragging them behind the boat, 2) forcing them to release their eggs, 3) stressing them out so badly that if the eggs weren't released, they wouldn't fertilize, 4) and finally, the most outrageous claim; that we were "educating" the fish so that they wouldn't take a lure once the C/K (catch/kill) season came in Additionally, all the while DNR was trying to stop us from C/R trolling the main stem of the bay, they were allowing C/R on the susqahanna flats (the true spawning area)

Then, last season, DNR (at the request of the Charter Boat industry) imposes a "slot limit" on the fishery. This slot forced 75-80% of the pregnant cows to go through all of the horrendous things listed above. And what did we get, a great YOY.

Now, DNR has been asked (by the Charter Boat industry) to set the limit at 35 inches and above for the Trophy season. Why don't we save ourselves a lot of taxes and just let the Charter Boat industry set the regulations DNR has lost all of my respect (not NRP). Lobbyist run the roost in Maryland. Those with the deepest pockets set the regulations. They have to convince the Atlantic Marine Fisheries Commission of their actions, but there is no denying who has the ear of Md. DNR.

This is a rather pessimistic view of DNR, but last year, we had to go to them and explain why their passing of the "three rod rule" for tidal waters was a problem. Remember, they had this passed into law After we explained to them the difference between tidal and non-tidal waters (yes, really) DNR had to set in motion a plan to repeal the law in July; and allow NRP to not enforce the law until it got changed (WTF).

So this is what we are dealing with when DNR sets the legal limits for the seasons in Maryland. What a mess.
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Old 01-28-2016, 09:00 PM
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Why can't I keep a smaller fish in trophy season? I rather release a 38" fish and eat a nice fat 28" maybe that should be the captians choice? Unless science says all the big fish are transient.
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Old 01-28-2016, 09:42 PM
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Why can't I keep a smaller fish in trophy season? I rather release a 38" fish and eat a nice fat 28" maybe that should be the captians choice? Unless science says all the big fish are transient.
First, there are few 28" fish caught during the Trophy Season. As the Trophy season winds down, and the big females have left, you may find more males in the 28-32 inch range.
But, the answer (in my opinion) is a question of mathematics. Because there are so many fish in the 36-40+ inch range during the Trophy season; DNR has to find a way to "save" a percentage of these fish. Rec's as well as Charters TARGET the larger fish. We aren't running 6 inch shads, we run 9 inch shads for large fish.

I agree whole heartedly that a 28 inch fish tastes better than a 38 inch fish; but I want to land a big fish, take a photo, and then have the OPTION to put her back if I want to.
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